Tuesday, September 5, 2017

Jesus Was Gay (Bakla) || John Pesebre || Kaliwanagan Kay Kristo (Aug 31, 2017)


Listen to 702 DZAS Kaliwanagan Kay Kristo (a segment of Tanglaw sa Landas ng Buhay of Back to the Bible Philippines) every Tuesday and Thursday 7:00PM. 


Ang tutugunan nating argument ngayon ay "Jesus is gay because the 12 apostles were his harem."


Kailangan ko pong ipaliwanag muna ang very revolting na pag uusapan natin ngayon para sa marami sa inyo. Maari pong ma-offend kayo sa akin for talking about Jesus Christ this way. Hindi ko po gawa-gawa lang ang topic na ito dahil ang nagbigay po sa akin nito ay isang student sa Ateneo de Manila at may naeencounter siya ng mga mockers na ganito ang sinasabi. 


Nauunawaan ko po na nakakadismaya ang paratang ito subalit sa apologetics po kasi gusto nating pangunahan ang isang usapan para ito maging conducive sa maayos na pag iisip. Let me give you an example of this revolting characterization na laman ng ating article na ito ngayon. Sabi po ng isang openly-gay na “pastor” na si Bob Shore-Goss nung tinanong siya kung bakla daw po ang ating Panginoong Hesus, 

  • I would hope he is. I would project that he is. For my own spirituality, I would love to jump into bed with Jesus . . . St. Paul, I would say, would probably be described as a closeted homosexual today, but they didn't have those words at the time.*
(Kailangan din po nating maunawaan na ang mga malimit gumagawa ng mga argument na ganito ay yung mga tulad din ni Shore-Goss na taong gustong magkaroon ng acceptance as leaders sa religious communities. May kilala na rin ako dito sa Pilipinas at siya ay nakapanayam pa ni Karen Davila sa ANC.)





Na ang Panginoong Hesus daw po ay isang bakla or homosexual ay marami ring nagsulputang arguments, pero sadly ang idi discuss lang natin this episode is one support. Baka later on magkaroon ng pa ng opportunity.

Again I understand if you find this revolting, kasi nakakasubok talaga sa kabaitan. Pero let’s keep cooler heads kasi hindi lang natin ito papasingungalingan, may mga matutunan pa tayo sa Diyos at sa kung paano sagutin ang ganitong paratang.


Ulitin ko lang na ang patunay na ang ating Panginoon ay isang bakla ay dahil sa yung 12 na apostles niya ay kanya daw na harem. Ang harem po in its original definition ay isa pong grupo ng mga babae na asawa ng isang polygamist. At dahil ang argument na ito is trying to insinuate na ang ating Panginoon ay nasa LGBT community, they are saying that the 12 apostles were harem.


Ang mga explanation for this ay tulad netong sinabi din nung ministrong nabanggt natin kanina: “the beloved disciple is lying on the chest of Jesus at the last supper and is supposedly in his "inner tunic," which is what we would call underwear today. It's a very intimate gesture, and it's a special gesture of affection between the two.”


Morton Smith’s discovery at the Mar Saba monaster of a letter attiributed to Clement of Alexandria contained references to the Secret Gospel of Mark, which suggests Jesus’s homosexuality. The quotation goes --


  • And they come into Bethany. And a certain woman whose brother had died was there. And, coming, she prostrated herself before Jesus and says to him, "Son of David, have mercy on me." But the disciples rebuked her. And Jesus, being angered, went off with her into the garden where the tomb was, and straightway a great cry was heard from the tomb. And going near Jesus rolled away the stone from the door of the tomb. And straightway, going in where the youth was, he stretched forth his hand and raised him, seizing his hand. But the youth, looking upon him, loved him and began to beseech him that he might be with him. And going out of the tomb they came into the house of the youth, for he was rich. And after six days Jesus told him what to do and in the evening the youth comes to him, wearing a linen cloth over his naked body. And he remained with him that night, for Jesus taught him the mystery of the kingdom of God. And thence, arising, he returned to the other side of the Jordan.”†
Sa aklat ni Jeffrey Kripal,
  • [I]t is the contemporary biblical critic Theodore Jennings who has most effectively advanced the idea that the gospels preserve multiple traces of a certain dangerous memory, the memory of Jesus as a lover of other men. Such a love, for example, is particularly evident in those passages that reveal a Jesus accepting and concerned about same-sex love, if not physically expressing it through subtle looks and body postures. The young rich man whom Jesus gazes at (emblepein) lovingly (Mark 10: 17-22), the beloved disciple who lies on Jesus's breast, basically sitting in his lap, during the passion narrative in John (John 13 : 21- 26), the healing of the Roman centurion’s servant boy and likely lover (male slaves were often used as homosexual lovers) (Matt . 8:5 13), and the idealization of the eunuch as model for the kingdom of heaven all come immediately to mind." Indeed, as Dale Martin points out, there is only one place in all four gospels where Jesus is said to "love" a woman (John n:5), and even there it is a group, not an individual, he is said to love (Martha, her sister, and Lazarus) "Jesus' attraction to specific men, on the other hand, is explicit." There are in fact many of what Martin calls "sites of the sensual" in the gospels, but they always involve men, not women (and usually~ Martin points out, they occur in that most homoerotic of the gospels, John) So for example, whereas Thomas is invited, in Martin's gloss now, "to penetrate the holes in Jesus' body (John 2 o : 24ff),""[i]n contrast, when Mary wants a hug, Jesus won't let her even touch him (John 2 o :17)." The latter scene, Martin speculates, is "the Gospel version of Paul’s homoerotic slogan, It is better for a man not to touch a woman (l Corinthians 7:1)."‡
How do we respond to this?

Sa totoo lang, wala naman masyadong depth ang argument na ito. It just begins with an assumption na bakla si Kristo and reads that assumption sa mga binabasa nila, tulad nung ginawa ni Kripal.


We can argue that Jesus was not gay and the 12 men are not his harem but his holy disciples BECAUSE Jesus was a straight man as well as his 12 disciples.


Sa Luke 2:52 po ang sabi about Jesus ay he “grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man.” So this gives us the indication that Jesus not only grew in the favor ng tao sa kultura nila but also sa pananaw ng Diyos. Ngayon ang kultura ng mga Hudyo has clear prohibitions against homosexuality coming from verses such as “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable. (Leviticus 18:22). Sa Mosaic law criminal act ang homosexuality at may capital pa na punishment, “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads” (Leviticus 20:13). I think it is a good argument to suppose these verses na nakakabit sa Luke 2:52 na hindi lang siya sa wisdom at stature nag-gain but also sa pabor ng mga tao sa kanyang kulturang kinabibilangan.


Moreover, if we consider na kasama sa pag gain ng favor ni Kristo sa mga tao, he also gained favor from God then it goes to follow that no hint ng detestable na thought or practice meron si Kristo na homosexual. This means na yung 12 nya were really disciples, not a harem.


Dagdag pa dito tungkol sa mga apostles. We have good reason to believe that these apostles were men, and not homosexual harem. Ang harem nga kasi is a group centered around the sexual needs ng isang tao. Subalit ang Galatians 5:21 pa mismo nagbabawal sa mga orgies na ganito. 

Ang isa pang magandang ipaliwanag ay sa number na 12 na bilang ng mga disipulo. Clearly ang symbolism nito ay yung 12 tribes ng Israel. Bakit 12 naman yung tribo? Kasi nga 12 din yung anak na lalaki ni Jacob/Israel. At ang kwento ni Jacob at ng 12 ay sinulat ni Moses na pinagawa ng Diyos ng mga batas ng Israel kung saan kasama ang prohibition against homosexuality. So yung parallel sustains the argument that the 12 disciples were men to spread the good news, not homosexuality.


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* quoted by Jules Suzdaltsev, in "Was Jesus Gay?"
The Secret Gospel of Mark
‡ Jeffrey Kripal, The Serpent's Gift: Gnostic Reflections on the Study of Religion, 43.

http://www.collegehumor.com/post/7057108/5-signs-jesus-was-probably-gay

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